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PostPosted: Tue 08 Mar, 2011 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Sad   I own a 807 2.0 executive 2004 with 79000 miles on the clock, the other night it broke down. The garage have told me that the cam belt has broke and basically told me it will cost a couple of grand to fix as the valves are all knackered. They said a new engine is the best thing to do.
As I still owe on the car getting rid is not really an option, so I am asking the forum if they know of any where is the kent area or even nationally  which sells second fhand engines and also of a good garage to get the work done. The garage its at don't really want the work and also are charging me 600 to tell me tha belt was broken after having the car for nearly a fortnight.
Any advice welcome. thanks
Dave
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Mar, 2011 9:29 pm Reply with quote
hi.

600 to diag a cam belt failure on an 807!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow

what is your location?and maybe could advise


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar, 2011 7:38 pm Reply with quote
Try searching eBay for 807 engine repair
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar, 2011 8:30 pm Reply with quote
Hi there
The garage came down in price and now its came back with 350, which isn't as bad. They have said they changed the cambelt and started the engine to see if the engine was damaged. If they had started stripping it down it would of started putting the cost up. I have rung a few garages and nobody seems to want the work even though they are quoting over 1000 in labour to strip the head and replace the valves. I am thinking of swapping the engine but quotes are about 2000, and based in london and I have heard some horror stories about engine replacement firms.
I am in sittingbourne in kent but we don't have any independant peugeots garages local.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar, 2011 9:19 pm Reply with quote
hi,

the problem is getting the existing injectors out,then they can start stripping the head to check what has damaged.
the injectors are normally stupidly tight in the head,so most end up damaged even if they loosen.(injectors cost approx 180 each)

there is acompany that will collect your car,and sort engine for 1450,this however does not include any new injectors that maybe req'd.

either way you could be looking around 2500!!

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Mar, 2011 12:03 am Reply with quote
We are currently repairing about  3 to 4 of these every week. Most do not require injectors. Our price is 1275 inc VAT and nationwide recovery. Distance is no object. We have recovery lorries in your area every week. Gavin
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Mar, 2011 9:38 am Reply with quote
C8Centre wrote (View Post):
We are currently repairing about 3 to 4 of these every week. Most do not require injectors. Our price is 1275 inc VAT and nationwide recovery. Distance is no object. We have recovery lorries in your area every week. Gavin

Hi Gavin
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:41 pm Reply with quote
I am a small Peugeot specialist and I have become very involved with repairing 807s and C8s, having bought the pulling equipment to deal with the seized injector problem. What we found is that the tool was failing to deal with the severity of the corrosion in these cars and was breaking. I therefore commissioned a precision engineering firm to design and build our own version of the puller which is now working well. As a result of this cars are now coming to me from all over the UK from owners and also from garages who have been struggling with the injectors. For that reason I now have a recovery contractor who deals with longer distances while we do the short haul collections ourselves. I can be contacted on - and am happy to talk you through the process.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2011 10:11 am Reply with quote
hi

c8centre,this is from the site rules.

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i think that in view of your 5 posts it says it all!!
perhaps if you shared your "specialist" experience it may help in any possible censorship/editing of posts.

purely advertising your services is not what this forum is for.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2011 8:30 pm Reply with quote
In my experience these engines are straightforward to repair. Where it goes wrong is in the methods that are used to try to remove the injectors. As you can easily see from the huge numbers of posts on this and other Citroen and Fiat forums cambelt failures are very common in these cars. The problem is compounded by the manufacturers and agents belief that the injectors cannot be removed and that the only solution is to replace the injectors and the engine. This is clearly unviable for the value of the vehicles that we are discussing. The injectors can however be removed and re-used if the right specialist equipment is used. Where attempts are made to remove them without it the result tends to be broken or damaged injectors which then cannot be gripped by the right tool and have to be removed from the head by another means. We have discovered as have many machine shops that the injectors are too hard to be milled out. I have found the most effective method of dealing with broken injectors to be spark erosion which in itself is a fairly time consuming process. It is still worth doing because of the difficulty in finding a secondhand or reconditioned engine you can trust. I would always recommend that you are better off retaining the original engine rather than buying one that has previously been removed from another car with a fault that you will not know about. Broken timing belts do very little damage to these engines. If it were not for the seized injector problems they would all have been repaired very easily and the cars would not have gained the reputation that they have.

I have not used spark erosion on very many engines except for the ones which have been sent to me after garages and machine shops have already damaged or broken the injectors and given up. These cars arrive with the so called scrap engine in the boot and we simply repair and refit them.

It is also worth noting at this point that the cars which are breaking their belts are all the low mileage ones which are privately used. Taxis which do a high mileage do not suffer from either premature belt failures or seized injectors. I put this down to the fact that are always in use and not sitting around parked with pools of water around the injectors and wet timing belts. This means that secondhand engines or reconditioned are likely to have come from vehicles that have done much higher mileages.

There are also ludicrous suggestions to be found on the internet like welding nuts onto injectors and using grips to try and twist them out. These are the kind of techniques which are guaranteed to start an engine or indeed a car on the path to the scrapyard.

As advertising is not permitted on this site the best advice I can give is that the owner a one of these vehicles which has broken its belt should ensure that they entrust the repair to someone who has the equipment to extract the injectors successfully and also has a backup plan to use if one of them should break. Every injector you rescue saves about 200 + VAT
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